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		<title>By: LinkThink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On writing</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-2175</link>
		<dc:creator>LinkThink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On writing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and reading well develop in step. This makes you smarter, because writing and reading is all about pattern recognition. The knock-on effect is your improved pattern recognition is not only limited to writing and/or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and reading well develop in step. This makes you smarter, because writing and reading is all about pattern recognition. The knock-on effect is your improved pattern recognition is not only limited to writing and/or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agreed, couldn&#039;t have said it better.  You were talking about patterns and I was thinking &quot;Music!! Mention music, this is why it works so well to help you learn foreign languages!&quot; and sure enough, that&#039;s the next section that popped up!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also agree with you on how important actually speaking to native speakers is, it&#039;s why I&#039;m such a champion of those language exchange sites, they really are a life-saver when it comes time to actually start conversing with natives.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agreed, couldn&#39;t have said it better.  You were talking about patterns and I was thinking &#8220;Music!! Mention music, this is why it works so well to help you learn foreign languages!&#8221; and sure enough, that&#39;s the next section that popped up!</p>
<p>I also agree with you on how important actually speaking to native speakers is, it&#39;s why I&#39;m such a champion of those language exchange sites, they really are a life-saver when it comes time to actually start conversing with natives.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps the worst offender in English: &quot;one&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can&#039;t have &quot;a one&quot;, but I can have &quot;this one&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&quot;Another one&quot; can be yours, but it can&#039;t be &quot;your one&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&quot;Anyone&quot; is a completely &quot;different one&quot; than &quot;these ones&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can really only ever get that by assimilating the patterns, because there&#039;s seemingly no logic to it at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps the worst offender in English: &#8220;one&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can&#39;t have &#8220;a one&#8221;, but I can have &#8220;this one&#8221;.<br />&#8220;Another one&#8221; can be yours, but it can&#39;t be &#8220;your one&#8221;.<br />&#8220;Anyone&#8221; is a completely &#8220;different one&#8221; than &#8220;these ones&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can really only ever get that by assimilating the patterns, because there&#39;s seemingly no logic to it at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For conversations, I just listen to news or opinion shows. Saves the work of creating things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For conversations, I just listen to news or opinion shows. Saves the work of creating things.</p>
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		<title>By: chris(mandarin_student)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1288</link>
		<dc:creator>chris(mandarin_student)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually that is the problem, occasionally I do it but it takes quite some effort, perhaps one day I will think of way to automate it somewhat rather than just doing it manually in Audacity. I have acheived a similar effect occaisionally at work though just by running two music player instances simultaneously on my PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually that is the problem, occasionally I do it but it takes quite some effort, perhaps one day I will think of way to automate it somewhat rather than just doing it manually in Audacity. I have acheived a similar effect occaisionally at work though just by running two music player instances simultaneously on my PC.</p>
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		<title>By: chris(mandarin_student)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>chris(mandarin_student)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! you took my example and extended it (now I have stuff to think about!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! you took my example and extended it (now I have stuff to think about!).</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a pretty interesting idea. My initial impression is that if you&#039;re going to the work of adding a music track, this is probably something you&#039;re listening to over and over... and every time you listen to the same conversation, it&#039;s a missed opportunity to listen to a new one. But, I&#039;m going to have to refrain from further comment until I try it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stories is a good additional detail that I&#039;ve somehow forgotten to include in this post. I do like to listen to spoken stories, because it&#039;s like the advantages of reading stacked with the advantages of listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a pretty interesting idea. My initial impression is that if you&#39;re going to the work of adding a music track, this is probably something you&#39;re listening to over and over&#8230; and every time you listen to the same conversation, it&#39;s a missed opportunity to listen to a new one. But, I&#39;m going to have to refrain from further comment until I try it.</p>
<p>Stories is a good additional detail that I&#39;ve somehow forgotten to include in this post. I do like to listen to spoken stories, because it&#39;s like the advantages of reading stacked with the advantages of listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent examples!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And more interesting, those are patterns with penalties for incorrectness, but with no rewards for correctness.  What I mean by that is, with most expressions, the phrase is worth more than the sum of its parts... you express additional feelings or connotations by using the idiom or expression. But with &quot;salt and pepper&quot;, there is no additional information conveyed... yet saying it wrong has a stiff penalty to the conversation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow, my mind is running with this!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m getting the impression, based on your last paragraph, that I place music above conversations. I don&#039;t. Conversations are perhaps the beset place to learn these things, but the problem with learning from conversations is that it&#039;s hard to do while you&#039;re involved in the conversation, because your attention is no listening and responding, not on learning word order or grammar or expressions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, listening to conversations sounds like a pretty good solution to that. The key to that, though, is don&#039;t listen to the same conversation over and over. You need a lot of conversations, involving a lot of different people, so you can pick up a broad sample of how the language is used.  (For example, imagine if someone learned English by listening to Paris Hilton conversations.) Without a broad sampling, you&#039;re likely to pick up an annoying personality in addition to language!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent examples!  </p>
<p>And more interesting, those are patterns with penalties for incorrectness, but with no rewards for correctness.  What I mean by that is, with most expressions, the phrase is worth more than the sum of its parts&#8230; you express additional feelings or connotations by using the idiom or expression. But with &#8220;salt and pepper&#8221;, there is no additional information conveyed&#8230; yet saying it wrong has a stiff penalty to the conversation.</p>
<p>Wow, my mind is running with this!</p>
<p>I&#39;m getting the impression, based on your last paragraph, that I place music above conversations. I don&#39;t. Conversations are perhaps the beset place to learn these things, but the problem with learning from conversations is that it&#39;s hard to do while you&#39;re involved in the conversation, because your attention is no listening and responding, not on learning word order or grammar or expressions.</p>
<p>So, listening to conversations sounds like a pretty good solution to that. The key to that, though, is don&#39;t listen to the same conversation over and over. You need a lot of conversations, involving a lot of different people, so you can pick up a broad sample of how the language is used.  (For example, imagine if someone learned English by listening to Paris Hilton conversations.) Without a broad sampling, you&#39;re likely to pick up an annoying personality in addition to language!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The missing detail is &quot;repeat&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Read a lot.&lt;br&gt;2) Write a lot, using what you&#039;ve read.&lt;br&gt;3) Listen a lot.&lt;br&gt;4) Speak a lot, using what you&#039;ve heard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have to use the language for it to stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The missing detail is &#8220;repeat&#8221;.</p>
<p>1) Read a lot.<br />2) Write a lot, using what you&#39;ve read.<br />3) Listen a lot.<br />4) Speak a lot, using what you&#39;ve heard.</p>
<p>You have to use the language for it to stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy (@Yearlyglot)</title>
		<link>http://www.yearlyglot.com/2010/07/word-pattern-recognition/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy (@Yearlyglot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the kind of recommendation that get a film moved to the top of my &quot;to see&quot; list!</description>
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